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Post by Minnesota Wild on Feb 21, 2007 22:49:21 GMT -5
It has come to my attention that some of the voting was skewed because some people wanted to keep SO and add Saves. So, considering we can only have ONE of these, which one would you rather have?
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Post by hawkeye on Feb 21, 2007 23:46:13 GMT -5
Why do we have to pick just one??? SV are stupid IMO... SO is alot more rewarding than some random SV category
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Post by chgorman on Feb 22, 2007 0:12:20 GMT -5
Why do we have to pick just one??? SV are stupid IMO... SO is alot more rewarding than some random SV category 'Cause otherwise we have way too many goalie cats compared to skater cats. Plus, SO are way more random than svs. SO's rarely happen enough to be worthwhile. You get svs every time your goalie steps on the ice, and prevents guys from getting great GAA and SV% at the start of the week and then just sitting their goalies for the rest of the week once they have their min 3 starts. Don't get me wrong, I like SO's too, but I htink svs are more beneficial to what we're trying to accomplish here. JMO. |
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Post by nashville on Feb 22, 2007 2:20:31 GMT -5
prevents guys from getting great GAA and SV% at the start of the week and then just sitting their goalies for the rest of the week once they have their min 3 starts. Don't get me wrong, I like SO's too, but I htink svs are more beneficial to what we're trying to accomplish here. JMO. Although by your logic, why would someone jeopardize 2 stats which might be in good shape, for the chance at improving one? Some teams give up WAY more shots than other teams. I think it's crazy to reward someone like Tim Thomas more often than Hasek, just because their team sucks more. SO is a random category indeed, but at least it usually goes to elite goaltenders. Saves rewards goalies on bad teams. As someone else mentioned, a 4 appearance rule could be put in place to keep teams from resting on their laurels. |
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Post by patriot0103 on Feb 22, 2007 3:07:29 GMT -5
I agree with Nashville and Ottawa. I just don't understand taking SO's out. I really don't see any reason we can't have both. A lot of times it will be a tie and both teams will get a point, which would change nothing. If that's not the case then it seems like a well deserved point.
Sure shutouts are a rare category, and don't occur much, but for a goalie it represents having the best night you possibly could, and to me that deserves to be rewarded. I don't care about the ratio really, because I don't see why we can't have both. The ratio will be fine.
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Post by darkvaliant on Feb 22, 2007 3:24:15 GMT -5
I agree, SOs are the highest reward a goalie can get, and they should be rewarded.
I know I've said this argument about saves before, and Nashville brings it to a point. Tim Thomas should NOT be rewarded for playing for a crappy team that gets outshot ever game, while a good goaltender like Brodeur, Kipper or Hasek lose a category because their teams play well defensively.
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Post by Washington Captals on Feb 22, 2007 3:41:38 GMT -5
Vote saves  So that guys don't bench all their goalies after 3 starts cuz they already have GAA, SV% and SHO tied up. That would suck! |
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Post by patriot0103 on Feb 22, 2007 3:44:33 GMT -5
Vote shutouts. ;D So that it's not quantity over quality.
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Post by darkvaliant on Feb 22, 2007 3:46:35 GMT -5
Vote shutouts. ;D So that it's not quantity over quality. Agreed. Do it and all the cool kids will like you. |
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Post by Anaheim Ducks on Feb 22, 2007 3:52:20 GMT -5
Need to be solved ASAP. I need to decide to pick Brodeur or Thomas. lol  |
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Post by darkvaliant on Feb 22, 2007 3:55:05 GMT -5
Need to be solved ASAP. I need to decide to pick Brodeur or Thomas. lol ROFL. Instant classic. |
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Post by patriot0103 on Feb 22, 2007 7:52:00 GMT -5
This poll is going to be decided by one vote. I understand that we want offense to have more categories that goalies, but is a 8:5 ratio that bad. I don't see why we can't just add both.
In my opinion, that's better than taking out something that more than half the league wants in there. (and I say more than half, because there was not the option to vote for both.)
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Post by Minnesota Wild on Feb 22, 2007 7:59:13 GMT -5
Sorry guys, I was hoping it wasn't going to be this close. Unfortunately there's obviously going to be some people that are unhappy. The cutoff for this poll will be 10 am EST for obvious reasons, if it is tied my vote will not be counted.
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Post by Minnesota Wild on Feb 22, 2007 9:55:43 GMT -5
I agree with Nashville and Ottawa. I just don't understand taking SO's out. I really don't see any reason we can't have both. A lot of times it will be a tie and both teams will get a point, which would change nothing. If that's not the case then it seems like a well deserved point. Sure shutouts are a rare category, and don't occur much, but for a goalie it represents having the best night you possibly could, and to me that deserves to be rewarded. I don't care about the ratio really, because I don't see why we can't have both. The ratio will be fine. Well I think it was discussed in another thread, but you have 2 goalies compared to 11 gus starting on offense. If you have those two guys accounting for 5 out of 13 categories, you could have people just start stockpiling goalies and refusing to trade them which could cause a huge problem. Where as if there are a lot more skater categories, skaters will be very valuable but you're always going to be able to find a decent forward to trade for or pick up off FA or something, the same cannot be said for goalies. |
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Post by Minnesota Wild on Feb 22, 2007 9:57:51 GMT -5
Alright, well I was hoping it wouldn't turn out this way (being so close) but it's 10:00 now and the vote is still tied so my vote will be dropped (Saves) and SO will be kept, so the cats will remain as is:
G, A, +/-, PIM, PPP, SHP, SOG, GWG
W, GAA, SV%, SO
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So that guys don't bench all their goalies after 3 starts cuz they already have GAA, SV% and SHO tied up. That would suck!
